Politics - Over / Under

"f86sabre" (f86sabre) 09/26/2019 at 11:08 • Filed to: Politcs

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what is your wager that President Pence will be delivering the State of the Union in a few months?

jimz > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 11:13

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wouldn’t take that bet . 2/3rds of the Senate needs to vote for it, and that’ll never happen.

fintail > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 11:15

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Not going to touch it. Most of the base, including elected “officials”, remain delusional and  see orangeboy as some kind of messiah. They wont touch him.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 11:16

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If Pence becomes president, he’s going to kick all the kids/women out of the border detention facilities and start rounding up entire audiences of musicals.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 11:16

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Trump will not resign because that’s what losers do. WITCH HUNT

The RNC, who are very pro-life will abort it in the Senate.

It’s all down to when the economy finally tanks, pre-N ovember it’s a democratic president in 2021, post-November it’s Trump leading us all into the T hunderdome

Aremmes > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 11:19

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Trump is throwing Pence under the bus too:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/trump-pence-ukraine-phone-calls-1512771

WiscoProud > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 11:20

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Trump is already trying to throw him under the bus. He will do anything to survive, including burning anyone around him.

He said “I think you should ask for Vice President Pence’s conversation, because he had a couple of conversations also ” .

Pence hasn’t been brought up in the complaint or transcript so far, so its unclear what he’s talking about. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > jimz 09/26/2019 at 11:23

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^^^ this ^^^

Arrivederci > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 11:24

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Uh, zero.  The Senate won’t remove him from office.  The only fallout I foresee is Giuliani.

Spanfeller is a twat > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 11:24

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hmmm,   I place a 1 % chance.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 09/26/2019 at 11:25

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I’m waiting for the inevitable Democrat winning before the economy tanks, then takes office where the economy promptly tanks, and all the Republicans start screaming “SEE I TOLD YOU SO!”

DipodomysDeserti > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 11:31

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$1, Bob!

facw > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 11:38

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I think it’s unlikely. I don’t think the House will have voted for impeachment by then, and I don’t think the Senate will vote for it (turtle man won’t even bring it to a vote if he can avoid it).

If Trump were the average man, he’d have about a 3% chance of dying per year. Which, would give him around a 1% chance of dying before the State of the Union. Now Trump is probably in below average health, but he also has excellent care, s o it’s probably a wash.

I do think there are a lot of Republican senators who’d much rather have a President Pence, but I don’t think there are many who’d risk angering their base to make it happen.

shop-teacher > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 09/26/2019 at 11:39

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*sigh*

Yep.  Just like 2008.

shop-teacher > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 11:40

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Nope.  Not gonna happen.

shop-teacher > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 09/26/2019 at 11:40

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Yes.  This exactly.

nermal > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 11:46

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None. The “whistleblower” complaint is the result of some Dem weenie overhearing what amounts to office gossip. I’m holding firm that they are in the Warren camp as well , as it reeks of that.

Provided the economy doesn’t tank before the next election, Trump will cruise to a yuuuuge landslide victory and be delivering the next 5 state-of-the-union addresses.

Thomas Donohue > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 11:49

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The bottom line is that the President-elect of the Ukraine now has signi ficant bargaining power , and likely influence on the next US election.

Regardless of the contents of the actual recording of the phone call (and regardless if the US has a copy, because you can shit-sure guarantee Zelensky has one) they can reach out to both parties for ‘favors’.

First call: “Donald...what is this big deal about phone call? It was all on the up and up. I can do you a solid and have presser on ze FOX television to assure America it was very friendly call and you are a good man. Mr Carlson already knows you are a good man, but I will sit with Tucker and make sure your country knows that Donald is good, but Biden and that   Pelosi lady, she really crazy. But, I need to know that you will return many favors for Ukraine..... ”

Second call: “Nancy....hello, this is Velodymyr...can I call you Nancy? Donald says he calls you Nancy, I would like to call you Nancy? Ok, so Ms. Pelotzi, we have original tape and your President tried to extract favors from us, we did not know what to do, but I would like to send you the tapes. Lordy, would we like to send you the tapes. But, I need to know that you will return many favors for Ukraine.....”

gettingoldercarguy > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 11:50

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Democrats are doing this to make Trump look bad for 2020. It’s working. Even if he isn’t impeached, it’ll damage him for the vote. If he is impeached and this continues to look bad, the Senate still won’t remove him. That’ll h urt t hem in 2020 in addition to the president. This isn’t a jizz stain on a dress type of thing.

punkgoose17 > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 11:59

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I can hope, butt wish in one hand, shit in the other see which fills up first.

punkgoose17 > shop-teacher 09/26/2019 at 12:01

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That was even pre-election. Thanks W.

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 12:03

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I’d be shocked if Pence even wants to be president

and 100 more > punkgoose17 09/26/2019 at 12:27

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Thank you, Billie Joe!

gettingoldercarguy > nermal 09/26/2019 at 12:30

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Nah, that's some creative writing conjecture though.

Nick Has an Exocet > nermal 09/26/2019 at 12:30

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My theory is that this is a bid to get rid of Pelosi by embarrassing her with a failed impeachment bid. There was an article saying that this whole thing is being pushed for by a bunch of ex Clinton and Obama folks - which at this point is camp Biden. Pelosi has taken a bunch of stabs at Biden - particularly about his... ehm... touching.

Nick Has an Exocet > gettingoldercarguy 09/26/2019 at 12:31

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But does Pelosi survive if the bid fails?

gettingoldercarguy > Nick Has an Exocet 09/26/2019 at 12:36

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I dunno.  I think it's time for her to go anyways.

gettingoldercarguy > Nick Has an Exocet 09/26/2019 at 12:41

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I find it ironic in the complaints about pelosi abusing power as if that’s their primary concern. If that was the case I’d see an equal number of rants about Mitch, yet there are very few to none.  Talk about looking like a partisan hack.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > gettingoldercarguy 09/26/2019 at 12:42

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Here’s my issue with this. Say there’s enough to impeach him, and this moves on to the Senate. Wouldn’t this still fit the narrative that Trump’s base believes? He will just tell them it’s a witch hunt, and I expect them to all blindly believe him and follow him. It’s come to the point now where I don’t think it matters what Trump does, his supporters will just double down and complain that the evil Dems are trying to keep him down.

I honestly don’t have much faith that he won’t win re-election either.  This might just galvanize the vote more in his favor and get EVERYONE who supports him to come out and vote.  

gettingoldercarguy > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 09/26/2019 at 12:48

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That’s possible, but I think the complacency of the left in 2016 and the result will bring a different result. Yeah, his base will see the can do no wrong. Hell, the closet Trump supporters still believe he can do no wrong. They all voted for someone else, don’t like him, but hate the left and will piece by piece attack them in small incremental amounts leaving equally or more egregious malfeasances by another political party untouched. Like a six  year old with chocolate smudges all over their face saying they didn’t take any chocolate chip cookies.

shop-teacher > punkgoose17 09/26/2019 at 12:49

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Yes, i t started before the election, but the shit really hit the fan just after the election, and Republicans conveniently forget that what led to the crash started under their watch.

punkgoose17 > and 100 more 09/26/2019 at 12:49

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Sorry I am really irritable and anxious today.

I am betting Trump will remain in office.

punkgoose17 > shop-teacher 09/26/2019 at 12:52

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Yup. As a Republican at the time I would correct people, and they would ignore me like I did not say anything.

and 100 more > punkgoose17 09/26/2019 at 12:56

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I just appreciated the Green Day reference, as we should, every day.

The cynic in me says you’re right, and then shit’s gonna get even weirder when he tries to play president with a huge (sorry, yuuuge) chip on his shoulder.

The optimist in me seems him being dragged out in cuffs... and then President Pence descends on the Oval Office like a buzzard. (I can only be so optimistic, you see.)

nermal > Nick Has an Exocet 09/26/2019 at 12:58

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That’s entirely possible. I guess it depends on whether you think the Ukraine stuff will help Biden in the primaries or not. From my perspective it appears to be hurting, and if it’s coming from a D then it is more likely to be Warren as she has the most to gain by making both Trump and Biden look bad . Bernie won’t play dirty, which is the reason he lost the nomination last time.

shop-teacher > punkgoose17 09/26/2019 at 13:01

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I consider myself very much in the center. I regularly vote from either party. Probably why I’ve been called both a Trump lov ing MAGA Nazi, and a gay homosexual liberal Prius driving fucktard by people in The Greys.

I voted for W in 2004 ... bad call in hindsight. Anyways, yeah I had the same 1-way conversations at the time. Nobody wanted to listen.

Wacko > shop-teacher 09/26/2019 at 13:01

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Nick Has an Exocet > nermal 09/26/2019 at 13:02

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Personally, I think Bernie lost last time is because he’s playing a rigged game. That’s still true.

I just don’t think Warren has the pull to influence the party into impeachment proceedings . She’s simply doesn’t have enough dirt for that.

WiscoProud > nermal 09/26/2019 at 13:09

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You do realize that both Guiliani and Trump have admitted to it right? Not to mention the transcript the white house released shows it as well. It may have started out as second hand information, but its confirmed now. 

Rust and Dust - Oppositelock Forever > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 09/26/2019 at 13:21

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He'll have to ask mother for permission first.

Chuckles > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 13:27

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I will wager a very large sum of money that I won’t watch that state of the union address, regardless of who delivers it.

punkgoose17 > and 100 more 09/26/2019 at 13:28

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I actually got that saying from my grandma not Green D ay.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > nermal 09/26/2019 at 13:38

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gettingoldercarguy > WiscoProud 09/26/2019 at 13:40

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gettingoldercarguy > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 09/26/2019 at 13:40

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Under the guise of joking, but serious.

Sovande > nermal 09/26/2019 at 13:52

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Is this a serious take? Like you don’t believe what the written transcript of the phone call says? This is not gossip, this is a sitting president asking a foreign government to investigate and opponent of his in exchange for favorable aid packages.  I don’t understand how that is “gossip.”

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 13:59

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With Trump implicating pence, it seems unlikely. Hopefully they're both fucked.

McMike > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 14:06

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Slippery Trump is slippery.

At this point I’ll believe it when I see it. Seems there is some impeachable offense every week, and I don’t have the energy to sort out which ones are actually accurate enough to be taken seriously.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 09/26/2019 at 14:09

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If/when the economy tanks, Trump will blame it on Democrats and impeachment.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 09/26/2019 at 14:10

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In between shrieking, “I NEVER KNEW HIM [TRUMP]!”

DipodomysDeserti > WiscoProud 09/26/2019 at 14:13

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What an absolute asshole.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 14:16

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If it goes all the way to an impeachment proceeding. Which, what if it doesn’t? B ut it shook the complaint loose and changed the president’s demeanor. Perhaps now we’ll have some candor from the White House.

gettingoldercarguy > fintail 09/26/2019 at 14:18

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And, as Michael Cohen, Trump’s former attorney and bag man, explained in his own earlier testimony when Trump speaks about something unsavoury he “doesn’t give orders; he speaks in code. And I understand that code.” This conversation, of course, is still just one part of a larger picture.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal 09/26/2019 at 14:19

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If so, t hen why did the president try to have it buried? I think that’s a fair question. I am waiting to see this not go all the way to an actual proce e d ing, but it has had the result of shaking the complaint loose.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Nick Has an Exocet 09/26/2019 at 14:22

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I think Pelosi would pull the plug on it if she thought it would fail. I’m thinking there’s a fair chance that this thing won’t go the distance, though it’s had the effect of shaking loose the complaint itself, and a bunch more jawboning from the president. There are a number of prominent narratives on this, and the one that resonates with me is that President Trump brings this all on himself. Just like people said that Bill Clinton and Kenneth Starr deserved each other.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gettingoldercarguy 09/26/2019 at 14:25

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The Trump Whitehouse had to acquiesce and release the complaint. That is a yuuuge victory in itself. As I’ve been saying in this thread, I think there’s a chance this thing will not  go the distance, but Trump has had to cave. And with the dumb things he and his personal attorney keep saying, let’s see what shakes out.

gettingoldercarguy > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/26/2019 at 14:32

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At the very least this moved some  undecideds to decided.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/26/2019 at 14:57

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That will have no impact on the results. People won’t care who’s “to blame” when the economy tanks, it’s who’s ever in charge.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 09/26/2019 at 15:01

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I do not disagree with you. I’m only predicting what Trump will say. He’s already saying it, in fact. That the economy will tank seems to be a foregone conclusion  with some, to the chagrin of the Trump Ilk.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > punkgoose17 09/26/2019 at 15:05

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People of every stripe, some of them, are good at that. Or hurling someone else’s slogans at you because they’re too lazy to think up their own questions. Intellectual laziness.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > shop-teacher 09/26/2019 at 15:11

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Well, you’re definitely a f***tard. I resist labels entirely. Members of the Trump Ilk love to go hostile on me when I ask an inconvenient question, and Liberals, of which I supposedly am [a radical] one, grudgingly, sometimes, will say, “I suppose,” when I ask an inconvenient question.

IN OTHER NEWS: Remember that DeWalt cordless I bought? The XRP with the iron chuck? Fabulous  tool. The bomb-diggity. I bought a circular saw two weeks ago that’s also XRP and it’s fabulous as well, but seems like it really wallops the battery. And heats it up so it needs time to cool before it will charge.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > Nick Has an Exocet 09/26/2019 at 15:56

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The Dem infighting is just stupid enough to make this theory believable...

gettingoldercarguy > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 09/26/2019 at 16:05

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The R's are dealing with it too, but more privately

nermal > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/26/2019 at 16:21

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The most concerning thing is the precedent set by releasing the call transcript. I read it & don’t find anything unexpected in there - Just Trump “making deals” as he has always done, in the same manner. Slather on complements, try to get leverage, always get something in return for anything you offer up, and always get revenge on anybody that wrongs you. He’s clearly not hidden the way he works, there’s even a book about it!

To think that US officials aren’t engaging in all sorts of shady shit all over the globe is simply naive .

nermal > Sovande 09/26/2019 at 16:26

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Yep. The gossip reference was in regards to the whistleblower - It’s clearly stated in the report that they didn’t hear anything first hand!

gettingoldercarguy > nermal 09/26/2019 at 16:26

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Way to rationalize egregious behaviour.

nermal > gettingoldercarguy 09/26/2019 at 16:31

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It’s best to file i t under “don’t hate the player, hate the game” rather than egregious behavior.

shop-teacher > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/26/2019 at 16:32

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“Well, you’re definitely a f***tard.”

This is quite true.

I knew you’d love that drill.  It’s such a great piece! Cordless circular saws I just don’t care for. They are indeed very hard on the batteries. I think running an extension cord is worth the time and effort if I need to bust out a circular saw.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal 09/26/2019 at 16:43

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He’s clearly not hidden the way he works, there’s even a book about it!

That’s a claim I’ve heard made by others, in different words. That and, “we knew what we were getting when we elected him.” I think that second claim is equally naïve. It’s fascinating to me how, throughout this debacle, folks read what they want to read into and out of whatever’s being put forth. I’m not knocking you, just saying that if I’d read it myself, I might not have thought much of it either. But then I’m not a lawyer or an intelligence analyst or a bureaucrat.

gettingoldercarguy > nermal 09/26/2019 at 16:45

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That’s just it , it’s not how you play that game. And no, it’s egregious behavior and not how people act. As the dni said, it’s unprecedented. Call it for what it is and grow up.

I love it how you knock the whistleblower for second hand source from  multiple first hand witnesses, put up “whistleblower”. Then tout some intro to conspiracy theories for people who can’t read good but want to do good stuff too crap without ANY sources. Way to hold yourself to a standard you set for others.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal 09/26/2019 at 16:46

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... they didn’t hear anything first hand!

Does that hold up? The auditor for a corporation who looks at the books afterward doesn’t watch the crooked banker type the crooked number into the spreadsheet; he or she just calls foul when the numbers don’t add up or are miscategorized.  

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > shop-teacher 09/26/2019 at 16:49

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I like the light weight of the cordless circular saw. The Skilsaw weights a ton. I ordered a lithium-ion XRP battery replacement — for half the money — that purports to have twice the amp hour rating. We’ll see how that works out.

The drill is heavy, but torque galore. And plenty enough umph for use as a hammer drill. And the chuck alone is worth the price of the drill.

shop-teacher > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/26/2019 at 16:53

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I use corded sidewinder circular saws. Worm drive saws weigh too much, I don’t like them.

Yes, the chuck on that drill is incredible.  When I made the mistake of selling my DeWalk and buying a Makita combo kit, the chuck on the Makita was a pile of garbage.

Sovande > nermal 09/26/2019 at 17:10

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We have the transcript of the phon e call. That's not gossip, that's a real thing. A real thing that Trump confirms is true. Surely you can't be obtuse enough to suggest that is false? 

gettingoldercarguy > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/26/2019 at 17:12

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It’s in the chapter right after the emoluments clause doesn’t need to be followed because that’s what Trump has always done.

It’s t he chapter titled “Negotiating with a foreign power to find dirt on your political rival by withholding security funds and intermingling your private attorney with the department of Justice to sort it out and if it becomes public have the attorney general protect himself by dismissing the complaint that he was complicit in rather than recusing himself”.

It’sa great chapter in what Trump has always done and “written” (somebody else mostly wrote it for him) about.

See, nothing new if you’re perspicaciously myopic.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > shop-teacher 09/26/2019 at 17:13

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I hadn’t considered that; I’ve got a cheapo corded Skil sidewinder still in the box, maybe done two cuts. Still, for the occasional light job, I think the DeWalt circular saw will be very handy.

f86sabre > Nick Has an Exocet 09/26/2019 at 18:32

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Reverse vampires. I like it. 

f86sabre > shop-teacher 09/26/2019 at 18:41

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Mag77 is the only saw. Worm drive for life 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gettingoldercarguy 09/26/2019 at 18:50

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Wait: you’re agreeing with me, right, but the I means ironic and not italics ?

But I don’t think the we-knew-what-we-were-getting holds up unless it’s narrowly interpreted to mean judges.

shop-teacher > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/26/2019 at 19:27

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The cheapos, especially if they have that stupid safety trigger, can be really cumbersome to work with. I have a nice Skill sidewinder that I bought when I was in high school that I love. Back when they made such a thing. I also have a nice DeWalt sidewinder I bought off a neighbor for $4 0, when she was getting divorced.

shop-teacher > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 19:29

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I’ve never had a chance to try one of the m agnesium bodied ones. Modern sidewinders are plenty powerful for me.

nermal > Sovande 09/26/2019 at 20:19

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No, I do not think the transcript is false. I have read it, and do not have a problem with anything discussed in it, nor do I think any parts of it are unprecedented . I honestly think that the discussion topics from the call are small stuff compared to discussions that Trump (and previous presidents or US officials for that matter) have had with foreign leaders. I also question the intentions of the whistleblower as being partisan and based on secondhand info .

gettingoldercarguy > nermal 09/26/2019 at 20:39

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It doesn’t matter if you think it is precedented, people who study this and work in this field say it is unprecedented. Show me other examples of a president intermingling their private attorney and attorney general to assist with a personal request to a foreign power. Show me where their previous attorney’s have stated that

“And, as Michael Cohen, Trump’s former attorney and bag man, explained in his own earlier testimony when Trump speaks about something unsavoury he “doesn’t give orders; he speaks in code. And I understand that code.” This conversation, of course, is still just one part of a larger picture.”

Please, show me.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > f86sabre 09/26/2019 at 20:43

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Have you had a look at "The Hunters" yet?

nermal > gettingoldercarguy 09/26/2019 at 20:43

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The DNI is referring to the whistleblower complaint as unprecedented based on multiple facets , which is very much accurate. They’ve never seen one like this previously. The complaint itself however is all based on secondhand info, which nobody is arguing that aspect beyond how much it hurts credibility and accuracy . I still think that they are trying to help the Warren campaign in some manner, based on no concrete evidence.... yet....

The call transcripts are open to interpretation, I personally don’t have a problem with anything in them, nor do I think the nature of the discussions were unprecedented.

It’s honestly good that elected officials aren’t held to the same standards that I hold myself to - There’s not enough obscure cartoon kittens to go around for them to shitpost behind. 

gettingoldercarguy > nermal 09/26/2019 at 20:47

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“nor do I think any parts of it are unprecedented.”

“The DNI is referring to the whistleblower complaint as unprecedented based on multiple facets, which is very much accurate.”

“

The complaint itself however is all based on secondhand info, which nobody is arguing that aspect beyond how much it hurts credibility and accuracy. I still think that they are trying to help the Warren campaign in some manner, based on no concrete evidence.... yet....”

“It’s honestly good that elected officials aren’t held to the same standards that I hold myself to.”

Hahahahahaha  

nermal > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/26/2019 at 20:52

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I don’t think anybody could have predicted that the country would be in the current political position when they cast ballots in the previous election. That’s not really unique though, just the nature of how things work.

You’re referring to implicit / explicit bias, where people are looking for things to support their predetermined opinions . I agree completely, both on this as well as most other Trump-related items.

gettingoldercarguy > nermal 09/26/2019 at 21:04

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Confirmation bias is the term you’re looking for.



nermal > gettingoldercarguy 09/26/2019 at 21:10

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What part are you not following from my viewpoints / opinions ?

- I don’t think the call transcript is a big deal or should really be all that shocking as I suspect that type of thing happens all the time - Nothing concrete behind that as to my knowledge this is the first time a transcript of this nature has been released to the public .

- There hasn’t been a whistleblower complaint of this nature previously, based on the content, sources, allegations, implications, etc, which is very much true. I suspect there are partisan intentions behind it.

- Major whoooooooosh on the reality check / self deprecating humor.

gettingoldercarguy > nermal 09/26/2019 at 21:11

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But thanks for the laughs (again)

gettingoldercarguy > nermal 09/26/2019 at 23:36

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Firstly, you present your viewpoints as less of an opinion and more of a fact. Unsubstantiated facts that you would and do quickly fault when from a differing view. Then you’re incapable of holding yourself to a similar standard. When ultimately confronted on this, you play it off as a joke, but only after being confronted. Repeatedly. I can see why you like Trump in this regard.

Secondly , you try to dismiss the transcript as something that you suppose happens all the time and ultimately admit you have no idea if it does or doesn’t. You then fail to acknowledge that other authorities in that field have stated it is unprecedented and isn’t the norm. You do this either through willful ignorance or naivete.  Or perhaps pride that Trump may be in the wrong.

Thirdly, rather than looking at the immediate, apparent and yet to be refuted evidence (second hand or not), you choose to go after a leftist conspiracy theory with zero support.

You have so much wrong with your argument, it’s juvenile.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal 09/27/2019 at 00:50

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I have a wait and see attitude about this. Now that the administration has released the complaint, maybe the impeachment process won't go all the way. I just hate where we are now. We have a POTUS who is hell bent on being a troll and a media who eat it up. It's a perfect storm of madness.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gettingoldercarguy 09/27/2019 at 00:52

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, pls.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal 09/27/2019 at 00:56

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And people don’t want to do any thinking nor ask any good questions because all they’ll get back is dismissive -- or outright hostile -- repeats of slogans they’ve picked up on cable TV or talk radio.

DipodomysDeserti > nermal 09/27/2019 at 00:59

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This is true. But a crucial aspect of that game is don’t be a fucking moron and get caught.

Also, only assholes actually say shit like that.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > shop-teacher 09/27/2019 at 01:01

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That cheapo is so crappy that I'm not even going to try it out. Thrift store bound... And it's got the blade on the right...

gettingoldercarguy > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/27/2019 at 01:35

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I think seeing more data, the original transcripts and interviewing everybody on the call is warranted. Should he be impeached?  I don't know yet.  I think other people are jumping the gun.  This absolutely for the modus operandi for the president based on Cohen's testimony.  So by many accounts, people are right in saying it's nothing new, it's how the president has always operated.

gettingoldercarguy > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/27/2019 at 01:37

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One thing about either Biden or Warren. Look at the dirt on them. Very little. Biden has his gaffes, but they’re not nefarious. Warren is very very sharp.

Sovande > nermal 09/27/2019 at 04:35

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Withholding $400 million dollars of Congressionally approved a id money in order to have a foreign government investigate a former US Vice President and current presidential candidate is “small stuff?” What would you think if Trump shot someone on 5th Avenue in Times Square? No big deal?

Sovande > nermal 09/27/2019 at 04:44

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I still can't believe you're serious. 

Sovande > nermal 09/27/2019 at 04:46

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The reason you haven't seen transcripts of phone calls such as this from previous administrations is that this type of call was "unprecedented" before this.